i think that turned around last night with word that vice president biden and mitch mcconnell would be negotiating overnight. mid-afternoon yesterday, dow futures were way, way down. it was going to be an ugly day on the markets, and that turned around and now they're looking positive this morning. so, i think the markets are optimistic about a deal, finally. >> and josh, fair to say most economists believe that if we do go over the cliff, it's fairly calamitous for the economy. >> well, it is calamitous for the economy in the long term. i think in the short term, it gives a real blow to consumer confidence. and we saw after the debt ceiling showdown last year that that can be really damaging to the economy, even if congress does wrap up in the new year and turn around and pass something retroactively. >> okay, so, we have, and we're going to look at how we got here, but we have a lot of people who are coming on the set or coming on the show and just shaking their head with washington. they just can't -- it's like this -- it's stupid! it's completely stupid that we're sitting here talk